We know that ivermectin can be very dangerous to certain breeds of dogs. Ivermectin prevents or kills parasites by causing neurological damage to the parasite, resulting in paralysis and death for the parasite. Dogs genetically sensitive to the medication have an anomaly that allows the ivermectin to pass the dog’s blood-brain barrier and into its central nervous system, which can be lethal for the animal.
However, have you ever stopped to consider that the ivermectin you use to treat your horses for parasites could be dangerous to dogs that eat horse manure? We know how dogs love horse manure. So in hindsight, it makes sense that ivermectin in horse manure could pose a danger… and here is one such story:
My American Pit Bull Terrier is at University of Florida Veterinarian School of Medicine right now being treated for Ivermectin poisoning. He had a sudden attack while on our walk. Signs were 1st slobbering/drooling (excessively) then diarrhea. I arrived at an animal clinic within 20 min where he then began vomiting and having seizures. Blood work showed elevation in Liver and Pancreas reading was 1256 He was given fluids and treated for what the Dr suspected was heat stroke after 6 hrs the Dr gave him Vit K injection. I then transferred him to Emergency Hospital for over night care where he was given more fluids and I was informed his temperature had risen significantly and at about 6am he was given charcoal. In the morning the Dr. recommended University of Florida.
So I left immediately for UF. He had been on his side laid out flat for about 20 hours and when i put him in my car I noticed he wagged his tail slightly. During the drive he did raise his head in an effort to be upright! Upon arrival at UF his heart rate was critical. Meds to stabilizes heart/monitored catheter and IV fluids. Next day prognosis Ivermectin poisoning via ingesting Daily Feed Through Wormer in horse manure and or ingesting left over grain/wormer in stalls at night!!!
I had NO IDEA the horse manure could be toxic. I remove feces from pastures everyday and of course the dogs ride in 4wheeler with me and once in a while I would catch them eating the manure. Its been 6 days now his organs show NO damage. He’s been taken off all support. He is eating and drinking and can stand to urinate. He can walk briefly then he starts to have tremors/shaking and wants to sit down. I’m hoping since everything has progressed for the better that eventually his Central Nervous System will recover enough so that he can have a normal life. Going to visit him today and possibly bring him home. I know that I’ll have to provide a lot of physical therapy so if anyone has any ideas I would great appreciate them.
Sorry to be so long winded but I hope through my experience another dog will not suffer and will have a chance to survive. Please tell anyone you know that has horses and uses daily wormers that the manure is toxic!
BTW the UF was absolutely wonderful!!! They let me stay in the Critical Care unit in the cage with my dog anytime I wanted. I was there off and on for 4 days and I never saw anything other than wonderful caring DR.s, students and techs!!! God Bless them all.
Thanks to Cindy in Florida for sharing her story! And thanks to the folks at the University of Florida Critical Care Unit! You rock!
So here’s the deal per Chris Bern, DVM: “The amount of ivermectin found in [horse] manure has actually been studied. It’s a pretty low concentration, so a dog has to eat a fair amount to become toxic, but it can happen. The half-life of ivermectin in horse and cow feces has been measured at as low as 11 hours and as long as 9 days. That means that it can take up to 9 days for half of the ivermectin to become inactivated, then up to another 9 days for half of the remaining amount, and so on. Realistically you can have measurable ivermectin in the manure for 1-2 weeks.
He concludes his comments with this: Don’t let your dog eat livestock manure.
I hope someone can answer my question. I have a 1 yr old Boston terrier male, our neighbor has a pasture full of horses. My dog brought over alot of manure and just made a little pig of himself. I didn’t see any of this but judging by the amount of vomit that came out it was a lot . then he started sneezing and backward sneezing. He’s fine now but I want to know if he could be allergic to the manure. Thank you
They call that paroxysmal respiration, or reverse sneezing, when a dog rapidly pulls air into the nose, whereas in a regular sneeze, the air is rapidly pushed out through the nose. A dog makes a snorting sound and seems to be trying to inhale while sneezing. The exact cause of a reverse sneeze is unknown. Any irritation to the nose, sinuses, or back of the throat can trigger an episode of reverse sneezing. Irritants can include nasal mites, secretions, foreign bodies such as seeds, pollens, or grasses, allergies, smoke, odors, masses or an elongated soft palate. Dogs with narrow nasal passages (long noses) seem to be more commonly affected.
So rather than being an allergy, it’s more likely that while your dog was feasting out in the pasture, he got some seeds or grasses in his nasal passage that triggered the sneezing. But do be careful as that manure could cause an ivermectin overdose to your dog.
I have five dogs, all of which think our horses poop is a personal snack for them. We do not give any of our animals drugs, except metamucil sometimes. Are they in danger from eating it?
Yes, dogs do love their horse poop!
The metamucil will keep the dogs’ bowel movements regular! 🙂
However, if you deworm your horse with a dewormer that contains ivermectin, there is a very real danger that your dogs could ingest a toxic amount. Imagine the amount of ivermectin needed to deworm a 1000+ lb horse vs a dog. Poisoning by use of ivermectin is well documented. You can google ivermectin toxicity for more info. Most cases of adverse reaction result due to overdose of the product, and/or toxicity due to sensitivity because of a genetic mutation, MDR1 (multi-drug resistance gene). The latter is specific to certain breeds. The effects of the toxin can be quite severe and requires quick diagnosis. Many dogs will have a convalescence stage of several weeks to months.
Symptoms of ivermectin poisoning can appear within approximately 5-24 hours after the administration/ingestion of the drug and include:
• Dilation of pupils
• Abnormal reflex of pupils
• Abnormal behavior
• Difficulty breathing
• Low body temperature
• Loss of body control
• Inability to stand
• Respiratory collapse
Pretty scary stuff.
Not only dogs, cats, but babies may like horse poop, and teenagers do it on a dare. See who can eat the most. I’ve seen people in stables eat some ivermectin, supposedly for their own worms. I would bet a lot of kids and even adults get sick and even die, and nobody in the clinic has any idea what’s going on. People don’t know it is toxic. I know this is a reply to an old msg.
It’s an old post, but people are still finding it that do not know about the toxicity potential of ivermectin in horse manure. I am glad I was a teenager when I was. We did NOT eat horse poop, nor even dare to! Gross!
I have read all the information about dogs eating horse poop, and the danger. But my problem is u live in the New Forest and the New Forest ponies are not wormed as far as I know, so will eating wild ponies poo harm my dog
If they are not being fed any drugs, there should not be a problem with drug interactions, however they could be at risk for any parasites in the horses’ poop. So you may want to deworm your dog(s) regularly.
Some people here have recommended diatomaceous earth or other natural dewormers as safer alternatives to ivermectin and other chemical dewormers. They might be safer, but every study ever done has shown them to be essentially useless in parasite control. People who say “I’ve been using it forever and my horses do great” probably don’t have horses that are especially affected by parasites. Wild horses, for example develop a degree of natural immunity to parasites if they are healthy. They will likely always have some, but not enough to affect them negatively. The people who have “success” with natural dewormers likely simply have horses that have developed a similar natural tolerance/immunity. There is nothing wrong with that, but they are mistaken if they think their natural dewormers are actually doing the trick.
I have horses all around me. I’m on five acres. There is one horse beside me, and across the street she has over five. This women has been told by me that I personally have allergies that are bad, to horse urine. There are horses every where out here, but she is the only one I know that spreads her urine and manure, right in front of my house across street, on county property. Now I’m learning it’s not only me she is disrespecting, it could affect my dog? I’m in Fl. Osceola county, and can’t find anyone to make her stop spreading, every Wednesday. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Have been dealing with this issue for over five years.
Hopefully you will keep your dog on your side of the street and away from her manure. Does she not have much property? Is that why she spreads her manure out in front of her property? If that is county property, have you contacted them for input? Is there anyone that recycles manure for maybe farming fertilizer? I was thinking that if you could find someone who would take her manure and maybe recycle it so that they would profit from it, then she wouldn’t have the need to spread it out in front of your house. Maybe you can post an ad in your local newspaper asking if anyone would like free horse manure and see if you can find someone who would take it away without charging her for doing so.
i guess i have been lucky as i have never separated a freshly wormed horses PooP from the compost pile where the dogs dines nightly … So my question is how long should i separate the poop from the dog .. How long does it take to work its way thru the horse i guess would be my answer ? thanks for the info , Ann
I would imagine that a horse begins to eliminate the ivermectin within a day. One study on the effects of ivermectin in the environment found that the loss of ivermectin residues from an Iowa clay loam soil ranges from 1 to 2 weeks in summer temperatures and up to 52 weeks in winter temperatures. Composting involves heat, so after a couple weeks, it will be less toxic than fresher manure.
If you have one of the breeds that can be sensitive to ivermectin, immodium and some anti cancer drugs. The University of Washington does an MDR1 test that you do at home with a kit they send you. You just brush their gums per the instructions, send it back and in a few weeks they email you the results. My Australian Sheperd came back mutant/normal, which means he needs to be treated as mutant (allergic) during his lifetime, it’s a relatively inexpensive test, around $60-70. I’m glad I did it.
What about the danger to dogs of eating composted horse manure?
One study on the effects of ivermectin in the environment found that loss of ivermectin residues from an Iowa clay loam soil ranges from 1 to 2 weeks in summer temperatures and up to 52 weeks in winter temperatures. Composting involves heat, so after a couple weeks, it will be less toxic than fresher manure.
Chris Bern, DVM explains it this way: The half-life of ivermectin in horse and cow feces has been measured at as low as 11 hours and as long as 9 days. That means that it can take up to 9 days for half of the ivermectin to become inactivated, then up to another 9 days for half of the remaining amount, and so on. Realistically you can have measurable ivermectin in the manure for 1-2 weeks.
My 10 year old boxer has eaten horse poop his entire life, is it possible he’s immune to the side effects of ivermectin that may be in the manure?
If anything, I’d say he is lucky. Some dogs are genetically hypersensitive to the medication. In these dogs, ivermectin can pass directly to the brain and be toxic or even lethal.
Thank you for all the info. We lost our beautiful 11 yr old poodle just on 2 weeks ago to eating pony poop which contained Moxidectin E Quest … to say we are heart broken is an under statement . Intially she presented with a tummy upset and unable to poop , got her to our vet next morning and mentioned if the horse wormer in the poop could be making her unwell ? it was totally dismissed with a “not possible”they were concerned with treating her Obstipation and 24 hrs later after putting her through enemas etc she began to exhibit neuro signs of poisoning , again I told them what I had used and was this poisoning possible from the horse poop.. again reply was “not possible “. Well our beautiful little girl died a horrible death with tremors , drooling, organs shutting down coma and death . After she died I spoke to our vet .. she finally admitted that is was Ivermectin poisoning even though I used EQuest … she had never seen this reaction in her career as a vet.. well my thoughts are she could have been saved , but with such a negative attitude from the vet what hope did our little girl have . we live in Australia and many horse owners out here have the same thinking as most vets out here about horse wormers in poop. I will never recover from this loss , it should never have happened
I am so sorry for your loss. I think once you know this about the wormer, it makes sense. But beforehand, who would have thought about it. Big hugs to you.
I found this information to be extremely useful as I have to German Shepherds and 3 large horses. The dogs love to eat be fresh horse manure why do I know this because they usually come in the house and breathe in my face and I know automatically other times I have seen them pick it up I did not know that the wormer we give the horses was a concern it will be cleaned up as soon as they go for several days. Thank you I appreciate all the feedback worried about my dogs.
I love natural solutions. I often find they don’t work as well, so then there’s the juggling, 6 of one half dz of other. Would love to hear more about Natural dewormers.
Probably one of the best is food grade diatomaceous earth added regularly to a pet’s food.
My Neighborhood had a party with horse and pony rides nice cute idea. But when I discovered horse feces in my garden I became concerned. I just had one of my cats put down and cremated three days before for a respiratory infection according to vet. The ER VET said it was something more then this respiratory infection. I have a autoimmune conditions and breathing and GI problemsolving. I asked them to remove it they were upset and angry. I told them they should of asked first.Then I Google horse feces sure enough especially the fresh stuff is toxic for various reasons.I live on a cail due sack where there are dogs and small children and me the sick women. They should of asked.
I worm my alpacas monthly with ivermectin injectible. Is this a problem for dogs with eating alpaca manure?
Absolutely. The dosage for an alpaca is much greater than the dosage of ivermectin for a dog. If you have dogs that are at risk for ivermectic at all, this can be very poisonous to them.
A genetic sensitivity to ivermectin can be seen in several breeds. It is more commonly seen in, but limited to, the following breeds:
• Old English sheepdog
• Shetland sheepdog (Sheltie)
• Australian shepherd
• German shepherd
• Longhaired whippet
• Silken windhound
• Border collie
An overdose could extend this list.
New neighbors have two horses a couple of my dogs I’ve seen eating horse poop. My one dog which is half golden retriever has started itching and chewing a lot today. He has some itching allergies usually in winter and has been fine until today, now the itching has come on bad. Do you think the horse poop may have triggered this and I should take him to the vet. Never heard of this before and not sure what to do.
Allergies can be triggered by many things. If it is a result of eating the horse poop, it could be that your dog has an allergy to something in the feed the horses are being fed. Often, horses are fed grains and grains are often a source of allergies in dogs.
Have you checked to be sure your dog has not picked up fleas? That would be another source of itching.
Another warning about your dogs eating horse manure… horses are generally wormed with ivermectin paste. The quantity used to treat a horse is somewhere in the range of 25-30 times the dosage for a medium to large dog. This is enough to cause ivermectin poisoning and even death to a dog.
Bottom line is that eating horse poop is not a good thing for dogs, no matter how good they dogs say they taste.
thanks to the UF and the person telling the story
trying not to let the dogs eat horse manure but it ruins my walk to keep the leashed
knowing that the neurotoxin could ruin THEIR LIVES….we will avoid that trail forevermore…
thanks for your story
it continues to make a difference in 2014
Why us commercial dewormers? My family has been using Diatomaceous Earth forever as a natural parasite control. Wormwood is also a great option. You shouldn’t have to risk any dog’s life.
My dog gotten severly sick in a few weeks took her to Dr. says not much she can do, had enlarged liver,severe dehydrated, lost a lot of weight, diabetic in a short time, A friend read on this and gave her a wormer she seems to slowly come around but still waiting and watching, My other little dogs didn’t seem to have any problems so thanks for this info. Wish I knew more about this and what else to do, vets didn’t seem to even know about this.
My dog has just recovered from an incident of moxidectin poisening (Quest horse dewormer) that she acquired from eating the feces of recently wormed horses. As a horse owner, I’m wondering why the package insert from these products do not list the risk of contaminated horse manure? It only states that exposure to the product can cause adverse effects not that it can be transmitted through the horse manure. My vet says that the manure can be toxic for up to 2 weeks post worming. If I had known we would have disposed of the manure more appropriately and have kept the dogs away.
Our vet gives prescription worming to all our horses and other boarders where we keep our horses at the same time, so we can watch the dogs. With so many horses, and many on the trails with dogs, it is not always easy to keep dogs out of the manure. Thank you for the warning.